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A chance to share international perspectives. How inclusive is your setting?

Read Sima's experiences  working in Iran and Hong Kong and share your own.

SimaMy name is Sima Rutherford.  I have been working in the field of education for 20 years.  I have a PGCE (Post Graduate Certificate of Education), and a Master’s degree in Education, with reference to Special Educational Needs.

I have a wide range of teaching experience, encompassing primary and secondary education in different countries: Persia, Hong Kong and England, teaching Special Educational Needs and English as an additional language.

I worked as a SENCo, (Special Educational Needs Co-ordinator), in my last job. As a SENCo, I was responsible for co-coordinating the whole teaching and learning aspect at my school, particularly for children with special educational needs, as well as gifted and talented children.

I am very excited to be a part of online teaching at Middlesex University, and ‘Hot Seat Discussion’, and am looking forward to meeting many of you online!

Here I would like to share some of my teaching experiences in different countries, and invite you to share your experiences with us.
It would be great to read your comments.

As I mentioned I taught in Persia, Hong Kong and Britain.  In Hong Kong I taught in different schools, with completely different curriculums, and I needed to respect their way of teaching, whether I believed it was suitable and fair on pupils or not. I shall start from the beginning of my teaching career.

In Persia (Iran), I started teaching in 1982.  In my country the government pays student teachers very generously, but instead they expect you to work for five years, wherever they ask you to.

I was appointed to a very very cold part of the country, (North West), in a little village rather far from the main road.  There was no road for cars, to get to the main road, no water or electricity!  We had the most beautiful little village with lovely spring water, and used oil lamps, and I used a lot of candles.  We had to travel by a lorry, a donkey or a horse for nearly an hour to get to the main road, and then use other kinds of transport.

Pupils used to walk from dawn for hours in order to come to our village for school, as they were living in smaller places, where there was no secondary school.  Some had a small primary school.

People were poor but extremely happy; it was a powerful conscience.  I enjoyed my job so much.  There I had to teach all the humanities subjects, whether I was trained to teach them or not!  Simply because the government could not afford to pay for teachers of all subjects.

We were only a handful of teachers teaching everything. We all complained to begin with, but in no time we realized that what is so important for that village is their well-being and the fact that they have a secondary school.  What we teach them is a bonus.

We only had equivalent to three first years of a secondary school.  Sometimes we had to alter the content of our books.  E.g  The books might  talk about library, television or cinema and although we explained to our pupils what those things are we needed to use materials within their own experience also.
Some children would sleep during the lesson, not because it was very boring but because they had left their own village so early to get to school and they were extremely tired.

In Iran we have books for each subject, which the government provide for pupils, and the teacher teaches whatever there is in that book.  Those days children learnt a lot of subjects by just memorizing them, rather than learning them. I  tried not to just stick to those books that were provided.  I did my best for my pupils to learn what I taught rather than just memorizing it.

I then came to England in 1986, and started teaching in 1992. I will now explain some differences between the two system of teaching, between England and Iran.

The style of teaching was very different. It is not as strict as Iran.  Teachers and pupils have more freedom in teaching and learning.  We ask pupils to learn mostly rather than memorizing the lessons.  We try to teach the reason behind everything.  

Teaching in England could have been ideal only if there were not so many pupils in a classroom or they had a bit more respect for the teacher!

In Tehran, I have taught classes of fifty pupils in my teaching practice without encountering discipline problems; pupils learnt to respect adults, especially teachers. To some extent, in England, there seems to be considerably less respect for adults, and more notably for teachers. It was certainly challenging, therefore, to teach thirty pupils in one classroom with varying abilities.

 In Iran, there were examinations every term.  If one failed an exam in any subject, they would be asked to repeat that subject in the Summer. Failing that, the whole year would then be repeated. While I am not proposing such a system, the balanced ability found each year illustrates its merits. It is not such a wide range of abilities in one classroom; not like England.

I have taught in London for many years now. It is significant that London is  a uniquely cosmopolitan area, because I have taught classes of thirty pupils, where merely seven spoke English as their first language. Although they are of a similar age, the fact that they are very different in everything else makes teaching very challenging indeed.

I taught in Hong Kong in an English School Foundation. While the curriculum was the same as in  England, teaching was, to a  large extent, more pleasurable because of the smaller class sizes.

In HK, I taught in Singaporean School, where they followed The Singapore curriculum.  Teaching methods were similar to Iran: old fashioned and extremely strict.   A great deal of homework was given and we had no problem with discipline in the classroom.

Moreover, I have also taught in Canadian and American schools, with very different curriculums. Yet not long enough to be able to judge them.

It would be great for all of you to share your experience with the rest of us.

Many thanks,

Sima Rutherford












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Greetings Aliya,

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Great to hear from you again. I am delighted to know that you have such a fantastic goal. Very well done. I too hope that one day I would return to Iran and try to influence their way of thinking about children or infact adults with SEN.

We are all here to help you as much as we can!

The Greek reality

Posted by Christiana Kefala at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Hello! Some of the experiences you shared with us brought forward the situation in Greece for me. I work in an International school which is inclusive. However, when i say inclusive I do so comparing it to the Greek reality rather than the UK one for example. The school accepts students with learning difficulties and does have a resource centre to accomodate for learning difficulties. However, with that said it is a private school and I have witnessed very UN-INCLUSIVE practices (a parent calls to say that they dont want their child studying next to a child with Aspergers so what do we do?...put the child with aspergers in a different class where he is taught individually and alienate him even more!!) Saying that the scholl is inclusive sounds ridiculous but when i compare it to the general situation in greece...well it's not that bad. In greece, the policy on inclusion of SEN has only very recently come out and the truth of the matter is very few school operate by it. It is rather more likely a) not to acknowledge the SEN and therefore not do anything about it b)students with SEN to be sent to special schools and sadly c) student with SEN to be kept at home (more in rural areas). Hopefully, in the years to come the new generation of teachers can work to achieve something better!

The Greek reality

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Christiana,

Greetings! Thank you very much for sharing your teaching experience in Greece with us. Very interesting.

Iran is unfortunately rather similar to Greece. Children with special needs are not accepted in mainstream school, they are not even accepted in private schools. I am not sure about International Schools. Mind you I taught in Iran over twenty years ago, but as far as I know things have not changed much.

I know of children with disabilities even now, in this century, who are not allowed to leave their houses let alon going to school. Their parents are embarrassed of their children's special needs or disabilities. This is so very sad.

In Hong Kong the International Schools do accept children with special Educational needs and disabilities. They often have support to suit their needs. There is an International School for children with severe learning or disaabilities, (Sara Rowe), which is a part of English School Foundation, where I have worked and have many good memories. However as far as I know in Chinese schools, it is a different story. Very similar to Iran and Greece.

Let us all hope that things will change in our lifetime!

Thanks again,

Sima

Piloting IE in Yemen

Posted by Diena Murshed at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Sima and group,

It is so wonderful to hear about your experiences certainly Iran in 1982 rings a bell with Yemen in 2009!
Yemen is a largely a rural country with 75% of its population scattered in over 100, 0000 villages, so placing a school geographically, is a real challenge. Girls are underrepresented at all levels of schooling and are now considered as an SEN group, the good news is that, gender is now included as an impact indicator with real targets in the World Bank sponsored Education For All program.

The Ministry of Education is currently piloting an IE policy with over 100 schools in Yemen participating. On the other hand SEN centres in Yemen are over seen by the Ministry of Social Affairs and Labour, and many education professionals consider SEN centres as stepping stones to mainstream schools. The paradox is that the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Social Affairs do not talk to one another. I met recently with Her Execellancy the Minister of Social Affairs and she agreed that both Ministries need to work together on IE (at least at the national level).

At the field level, I have been involved at bringing together teachers from the Yemen Autism Organisation (SEN centre) with teachers at a mainstream pilot IE school. My initial success has been good. The teachers at the mainstream school who have had no previous training on ASDs now have access professionals from the YAO and sharing of knowledge is now taking place.

I am worried, however that the institutional capacity at both ministries is weak an IE will suffer. In Yemen for things to get done "champions for change" need to play a leading roll. Thus far Yemen is without this champion.

Lots to be done

Posted by rgreen2 at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
To Sima and the group, I can see that you are all finding this fascinating as I am. It is so interesting to read your experiences and the not so inclusive nature of the schools in different parts of the world. I was wondering if you are finding that the voice of the parents is a great instrument for effecting change as it often has been in the UK? Ruth

Parents

Posted by Diena Murshed at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Hi everyone,

During my research I interviewed a small sample of parents from an SEN centre and an IE school. What I found interesting was both sets of parents converge on the importance of IE, however their views differ on policy, where mainstream school parents were more inclined to an overall IE approach and SEN centre parents wanted a more specialised IE approach.

It seems that international NGOs (Save the Children) have lead IE in Yemen. Local NGOs and Community Based Organisations (CBOs) should have picked up on the momentum as they are usually widely networked to parents and allow for voicing of views and for advocacy, but this has not been achieved. This is really sad because parents acting individually will achieve little. Even more so in a community where parents are discouraged to discuss disabilities.

The Ministry of Education have established an IE department which seems to be working in a parent vacuum. Most parents have not been exposed to discussions on IE. For example in my research I interviewed 20 parents at a mainstream school participating in the IE pilot program, all 20 parents had SEN children yet more than half of these parents were not aware of the IE policy. I would like to see a stakeholder communication plan developed whereby through various means (newsletters, website, adverts on TV, school road shows) IE information is disseminated, and debate occurs. But who should own such initiative NGOs, the Ministry of Education, CBOs or everyone?

Parents

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Diena,

I don't seem to have replied to this email of yours. Sorry!
  
You mentioned that NGOs is leading IE in Yemen, which is great, but who are the memebers of CBOs, their local organisation? Who are the member of IE department in Ministry of Education? Are they people who have no interest in children with SEN? or are they the parents? I believe they should mainly be parents who have children with SEN and they are aware of their rights. They know what is inclusion and how it could work, or alternatively paretns, who have children with no SEN, but advocate inclusion policy and believe that inclusion will help all children with or without SEN.
In that case the 'Policy' would be based on supporting inclusion.

As you mentioned though, the problem in countries like Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, Greece and many others is the fact that even parents who have chidren with SEN are not aware of their rights. They do not know, that there are places in the world, where they can send all their children with or without SEN in the same school, parhaps because of the special unit in that school, all the pupils learn and this is the right of every child in the world. Not knwing this is sad, but it would not take long before they find out.

It would have been ideal if this was the policy coming from the Ministry of Education, but until then we are all responsible, and I think the recent technology, and internet would play an important role.

Good Luck!

  

Parents

Posted by Diena Murshed at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear all,

There are many different NGOs and CBOs in Yemen, "mother and child" this is very general, but you also have specific types of NGOs "cerebral palsy". The members consist of people from the community who share common issues and goals and are willing to work for the organisation. The members from the Ministry of Education in the IE department are civil servants and have recently been trained on SEN and IE, but this is general training.

I believe that parents are unaware of their rights and they don't use their voice. As the parents only visit the IE department only if they were referred to go there by a school, or organisation. The IE department or the policy is not widely publicised.

One of the major problems with the IE department is that it depends heavily on donor support, and if the donors decide not to fund the IE department then it would collapse. Due to the IE department having no organisational structure it has no budget from the Ministry of Education.

Parents (Yemen)

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Diena,
 
I check my mails on an hourly bases!, simply because I am very excited to receive everyone's points and comments. Somehow your new mails do not appear as the last mail on the computer, therefore I miss replying to them as soon as I would like to.

You metioned here that,'One of the major problems with the IE department is that depends heavily on donor support, and if the donors decide not to fund the IE department then it would collapse.'

This is a huge problem, this means that since the world is now going through a hard time economically, people will obviously find it harder to make donation, even if they really want to, then the children will suffer. The responsibility to fund the IE department should be by the goverment, and the ministry of Education, and not by donation.

The fact that the government is not taking the responsibility is, because as you rightly said, the parents are unaware of their rights and they do not have a 'Voice'. This is an important issue to consider.

Thanks for being very active in our discussions.

Sima

Lots to be done

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Greetings Ruth,

The voice of the parents of a child with SEN is so very important. The problem is in most countris we have been discussing, the parents have to understand the nature of their child's disabilities first, and the reason for it (Not to believe that it is God's renenge, or instead of visiting a medical doctor going to a spiritual doctor). Then they have to know their rights.
Their voice would then be a great instrument for effecting change in all over the world. We have a long way to go yet, but hopefully we are in a right track!

Sima

Lots to be done

Posted by Jessica Jacob at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
I agree. It is only recently parents are coming to understand that having a SEN child is not a curse or a
 shame. Even in the UK I found parents embarrassed, or not understanding the disability of their child. A parent said to me about her dyslexic child that he was slow and dumb. It was so upsetting to hear her say that. I couldn't hold back the correction.
I can understand that in the beginning parents blame themselves and see themselves as defective or causing the defectiveness. I went through a fleeting thought of that when my son had difficulties and was diagnosed with dyspraxia. Once I learned more about it and about what could be done for him. My son and I were encouraged and motivated to tackle the challenges. In competitive private school cultures one can find a great deal of pressure and ignorance toward a SEN child and their family.
As much as we have evolved in the matters of SEN, there is still lots to be done. Through the education of our communities, parents and educators, we can progress in providing the appropriate services for the SEN child, (It may also help conditions at home too)
My son was so encouraged when a child gave a speach on dyspraxia at assembly. He brought up names of very successful people with dyspraxia and dyslexia. My so felt empowered. This ws a successful form of educating the SEN pupil, and their peers. ( great way to minimize bullying, and teasing)
We are on the way to getting things done, and that is hopeful. Thanks Sima for your understanding and advice.

Piloting IE in Yemen

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Diena,

It was great to hear about your experiences in Yemen. I have heard in some other countries the special needs centres are run by the Ministry of Social Affairs and Labour. I believe they should be run by Ministry of Education, but it is fantastic to learn that you have been involved bringing together the teachers from Yemen Autism Organisation and the mainstream school. Very well done! There should be regular meetings and workshop between the two groups, and they both will benefit from it.

You refered to Yemen Autism Organisation as SEN Centre. Does that mean that in this centre there are only pupils with Autism? So what about the other learning dificulties or physical disabilities? Are they recognised as well in Yemen? Are they in the same centre or do they have different organisation?

You also mentioned that in Yemen for things to get done they need 'Champions for change'. Well what about you?! After doing this course, you could be well prepared to be that champion, and we are all going to be here to help you and support you.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Piloting IE in Yemen

Posted by Diena Murshed at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Sima,

Thank you very much for your comments. The YAO specialises in ASDs, all the children that attend the school have ASDs. All forms of disabilities are recognised and in the last 10 years NGOs supporting one disability group or another have flourished. However still at the social level there are cultural challenges.

For example with epilepsy in many cases it can be controlled especially if treated early, but tends to happen in Yemen parents may first visit a "spiritual doctor" and by the time the medical doctor sees the child long term damage from the seizures on the brain are irreversible.

Certainly at the YAO most of the children are over 10 years old because some parents have been ashamed to bring their child to school earlier, and have kept them at home.
 

Piloting IE in Yemen

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Diena,

Many thanks for your prompt reply. It is great to know that all forms of disabilities are recongnised now in your country. This ia a huge step forward, but on the other hand I agree with you and Ruth that there is a lot to be done to change the minds of people about SEN.

In some African countries they believe that disabilities are God's revenge, and that is why they are ashamed of having a child with SEN.

It is funny that you mentioned 'Spiritual doctor'. As a matter of fact I am a qualified 'Spiritual Healer'! I work on a voluntary bases as a healer. Teaching is my profession and healing is my hobby, but if someone comes to me and tell me that they suffer from epilepsy, the first thing I would suggest is to go the medical doctor. This is what all the spiritual healers wouls say in this country, and I hope this happens in your country too. Then the children do not need to be over ten when they start a proper education.

Thanks again.

Piloting SEN in the Caribbean

Posted by Hyacinth Rose-Manners at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Diena,
  THanks for sharing about Yemen, In most Caribbean countries physical disabilities are recognised because it is obvious for example Downes Syndrome and Cornelius de Lange Syndrome where an obvious physical charastic is apparent are recognised not that special provisions are made for their social and academic growth. Most are assisted in by beinging sent to special schools and their education is a place not than a a service. As nemtioned by Sima in reference to Iran some are ashaned about their children and keep them home.In T'dad B'dos and other islands of the Caribbean the district nurse plays an important part in having these children educated, They are the ones that are aware of the existance of these children from birth and follow their progress and inform mthe parents that it is law that they are sent to school. but then as in other countries the difficulty is transportation. In St Kitts/ Nevis the bus is sent around the island to collect the kids for the special school. The stigma attached to that bus is clear and I was told by many parents whose children have differences that were not physically obvious that they were not sending their children on that bus. or having them wear that uniform. Those with SpLD and other SEN are left alone in the class room mainly because they are not clasified by the teachers as these teachers were trained to teach only children with out difficulties.
Thses are some of the arguments against Inclusion. the transport because they have to go to school out side of their villages the uniform that identifies them as different.
          After doind my Hornsby Diploma I assesed a 14 year old boy and sent the report to the cshool with recommendations and contact # for the teacher to contact me if any additional information is necessary. He was then with me three to four evenings a week for tutition in reading, his IQ was average. His mother came crying saying that before bringing the child to me he was treated as stupid or dunce now with the report he is beinging treated as if he has a contagious disease. He was placed at the back of the class and told by the teacher she does not know about this dyslexia. that was in Antigua. That is where I started an awareness as my son is also dyslexic. I had the backing of an optometrist,(she was concern about dyslexia as she was experiencing a trend where children were being brought to her who were unable to read and she found no problems with their sight) who heard about me from an lawyer from my church and we invited to have interwiews on the local radio station about dyslexia. This is a joke I would not forget once on the call- in - programme a taxi driver called in and this was his comment,note persons in Antigua were hearing about this word for the first time, we had to spell dyslexia for them and advise them that if you had dyslexia you were dyslexic.We were just reading and informing them of what we read. I had not done the Horsby Diploma as yet. He said" I want to be one of that. you talking about me!" We were describing the characteristics of dyslexia. The man was so happy to hear some one discribe his charastics with an origin and he was one among others that he in excitiment said he wants to be one of that. By this time I had already pionered the fromation of an association ABCDA.Persons were then telling me that they heard the word on BBC Radio and they were bringing me magazines some old Readers Digest with articles on dyslexia. I could not go in public without some one asking me many questions. I had packed rooms when I had monthly meetings persons were hungry for information I was respected at church as new in the island and the Dr, is very well respected so it was bang !!!!!
Some one spoke about parents voice for the children with SEN, this is difficult as many parents only cry and if strong enough share that they are the same. They cry and say that they are the ones that gave their children that condition. I always get their attention by letting them know that I too has passed it on to my son but if God give something to me he will give me/us the tools to deal with it and to assist others 1Peter 4:10. I had an audience with the Minister of Education when ever I requested in Antigua at that time I saw change take place. I lost weight with fustration but we saw many things through God has been good. Story about other islands experience another time. My husbands job has taken us to live in different Caribbean islands. Ohhh Hya who did not learn to read unti about age 9 years writes so much, bear with me. W e must with God's help learn as much as we can to do as much as we can to assist as much as we can God Bless us all

Piloting SEN in the Caribbean

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Hyacinth,

It was so good of you to reply to Diena and share your experiences with us. I didn't know I am in touch with such an important person! You must be famous in Antigua!

You are absolutely right, in most countries they recognise the physical disabilities, because they can simply see it, but not all of them know much about learning difficulties.
Hya and all other dyslexic children can be very smart and clever, but because they have this specific learning difficulty, and they can not read or write as well as the others, to begin with, some may deny their intelligence, which is so wrong.

You mentioned that because the teachers in mainstream school are not trained to cope with children with learning difficulties, this is a disadvantage of inclusion. I agree with you, and I wrote in one of my comments that I believe all the teachers should have training for coping with children with SEN, but I think this is not a disadvantage of inclusion, this is infact the problem with the education system.

I am pleased to know that you, too belive that we must do whatever we could whenever we could to help the parents of the children with SEN, their children, and therefore the society.

It would be great if other students start writing about our comments too.

 Good Luck and Thanks again,

Sima

thankkss hya

Posted by Aliya Sibtain at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
hello
i was soo pleased to read about yur experience in the caribbean,i was alwasy under the impression that Pakistan was the only country where inclusion was absent and students with SEN were alwasy struggling. i hope one day we can all make a difference in our respected parts of the world.
as for dianae comments about the 'spirtual doctors' that is so true in Pakistan as well, and unfortunalty the parents trust them more then the GP's.
i thought i should share a recent survey which was conducted by a private hospital in Pakistan and i was shocked by the results. this hospital is the known to be THE BEST in the whole of Pakistan, the study was focused on GP's and Peaditritions and there knowledge about ADHD and SpLD... the result 14 % knew what ADHD was and how the person could be treated as for LD... 0 % knew anything about LD or its treatment, i am absolutly shocked and upset by this result as this hospital staffs the best doctors of the country
i hope one day i can help these pupils of SEN have a voice in Pakistan

Pakistan's recent survey

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Aliya,

Thank you so much for sharing your news with us. It is shocking that in the best hospital in Pakistan, even the peaditritions know so little about children's learning difficulties, but I am quite sure that this would be similar to many other countries.

The fact that you are doing this course and you care about pupils with SEN, makes me believe that you have already taken a huge step to help.

Best of Luck!
Sima

Piloting SEN in the Caribbean

Posted by Diena Murshed at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM

Dear all,

In Yemen disabilities are recognised, but this is not to say that they are accepted. As I have heard from people that there is a sense of shame, guilt, and the child will not be able to learn. Due to this feeling many of the children are kept at home where no one can see them.

In March I was a keynote speaker at the first conference on autism in Yemen. The conference lasted for 3 days and over 500 participants attended the first day of the conference. This included reporters, news crews, two former Yemeni Prime Ministers, the Minister of Social Affairs and Labour, Ambassadors (USA, Egypt, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Jordon) other SEN centres, the business community and parents.
I was surprised when I spoke to some of the attendees that they did not know that Yemen had an IE policy, and has children that have SEN (down syndrome, blind, etc) in mainstream schools.

The IE school that I based my research on has about 75 to 150 pupils per class, this can be difficult for a teacher to give attention to all the children, also not all the teachers in the school had training in SEN and IE. This has meant to try and help the children with SEN the concept of the resource room has been developed in Yemen (like in the example mentioned above in Greece). Children that have difficulties attend the resource room a few times a week to where they receive assistance in the in the areas that they are weak in. But at this moment there is a lot of pressure on the teacher in the resource room, this has meant that she is unable to give extra assistance in all the subjects. She helps the children in reading and writing, but she is unable to teach all the children at the school - she only teaches years 1 to 6 (but the school has years 1 to 9), teachers are still discovering children in their classes with difficulties in learning.

To help the teacher cater for the needs of the children we introduced peer tutoring in the resource room with the help of the year 8 girls, they would assist in the break times or when they had a free period. This went well as the SEN enjoyed the friendships they were making and the attention they received from their older peers – attending the resource room was now "cool".

The resource room teacher and I arranged for a teacher parent meeting to address the concerns of all. Most parents were receptive and some parents agreed to come and help the teacher in the resource room when they could. Whereas others thanked the teacher for her hard work and others wanted to know what they could do to encourage their child to improve at home.

I spoke to a parent who was upset because her daughter did not want to go to the resource room as the child felt that it was where the 'stupid' children go. The parent and I sat with the child and discussed the benefits of the resource room, the child then agreed to try it out. She is now doing better and likes the fact that she gets to interact with the elder girls (peer tutors). For the success of IE everyone needs to be involved this means children and parents.

Piloting SEN in the Caribbean, a reply to Diena's comment,

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Diena,

I am delighted to know that there has been a conference on Autism in Yemen, it does not matter that it was the very first one! the most important thing is that the first step has been taken, and I am so proud of you to be the first key speaker in that very important event. Very well done!

I thought having 30 pupils in a classroom (England)is too hard, having 75 to 150 must be almost impossible for the teacher to be able to differenciate for the need of every child, and challenge them. However it is great that you have resource room, which is a kind of unit we have in England. I was going to suggest peer tutoring, which I am glad you have started, and have good result. Perhaps you could make a better use of parents as well, some can come to school to help, but many of them, although would like to help,but unable to come to school. They can perhaps help you with making some resources for the resource room. Children learn better through activities and making things. Some parents can makes things to help.
The stigma of attending the resource room is very common, we have that here as well, but you seem to have done everything you could.

Well done for everything you have done in Yeman.

SEN and IE in Malta

Posted by Jacqueline Schembri at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Hi everyone

Sorry for my late entry in the discussion. I have been reading your comments which I must say I find very interesting. In my country, that is Malta I can say that Inclusive Education is quite an ongoing issue and there has been a lot of improvement since the past years. Many children with SEN are accepted in mainstream schools. We do have special schools too, mainly for the most severe cases which would benefit more from a special school than a mainstream one.

I think that there is still a lot to be done though on the support provision of some children. For example children with motor disabilities can get full time support provision with a learning support assistant on a one-to-one basis whereas children with dyslexia or other learning difficulties usually are not entitled from learning support through an LSA. The most they can get is a short period of time weekly from a complementary teacher (out of class).

As I said earlier I think that a lot of good work has been done in Malta regarding inlcusive education but there is always a lot to be done !

SEN and IE in Malta

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Greetings Jacqueline and welcome to our discussion,

It is good to know that in Malta Inclusive Education is not a new concept.

Diena explained to us, that in Yeman the IE is supported by donation. I assume in Malta it is different, and the LSA (Learning Support Assistant), are paid by the Ministry of Education rather than donation!

In England only if the child's learning difficulty (Dyslexia) is very severe, then they will get 'Statemented', and that is when the government pays a certain amount of money to the school the child attends, to get a suitable help for that child. We often employ a LSA to help the child at school.

I have attended some meetings in order to decide, which child should be 'Statemented'. I have witnessed that in the last couple of years it is so very hard for a child to become 'Statemented', and therfore entitled to receive some extra fund.

As you rightly mentioned it seems to me as a lot has been done in Malta and a lot will be done in the future. I hope one day they realize that a child with dyslexia, or attention deficit hyperactivity or autism, has as much need as a child with motor disabilities.

Many thanks for sharing your experience with us,

SEN and IE in Malta

Posted by Jacqueline Schembri at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Yes as you said, here in Malta the learning support assistants are employed and paid by the government not supported by donation.

I strongly agree with you that it is getting very hard for a child to become statemented in order to receive help even if it is only 'shared' help.

Thanks a lot for all your comments.

SEN Yemen

Posted by Diena Murshed at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear all,

On Sunday 31st May until Tuesday 2nd June 12 teachers (volunteers) from the USA came to Yemen to train teachers from different special educational centres (from 5 provinces). The American teachers trained the teachers on autism, dyslexia and dyscalculia. The teachers really enjoyed the experience and learnt a lot, this hopefully will mean that the local teachers are better prepared and are able to teach the children more effectively.

Also yesterday parents came and heard the views of American parents who have an autistic child. Then there were questions and answers which enabled the parents to express their views and ask questions in relation to them. This went very well and the parents want to do this again as well as the local SEN teachers!

The event went very well and we hope that it will be the first of many

SEN in Yemen and Sweden!

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear Diena,

What a great news. I am delighted that this educational exchange is happening in your country. This is fantastic. Do you know who arranged this event? Is it possible for our other students to contact this volunteers in other countries?

I have just returned from a long weekend in Sweden (Lund). I have a good friend, who has a severely autistic child of 11 years old. She asked me to go there to see his school and talk to his teacher, and then help her to decide what to do for the future.

I was so pleased to see Robin's school and find the meeting with the teacher very informative.

The mainstream school is a huge one with over 500 pupils. There was a unit in that school with 7 children. 4 in one classroom, and 3 including Robin in one classroom. There are 3 trained teachers working with 3 autistic children. I talked to all of them individually. The children are the same age, within the unit they had computer room, activity room and lots of toys.

The school starts at 8:30 a.m to 1:30 p.m. Then all children from mainstream and the unit can stay for activity time until 4:30 p.m.

The children have play time together, and eat together. Robin's teacher mentioned that sometimes she takes a child from unit to the mainstream if the activity suits the child, and the teacher stays there with the child. They have swimming twice a week, gymnastic once a week and play outside every day with supervision.

Robin seemed so relaxed and happy there. Although he obviously has communication problem, he talks to his teachers and listens to what they say.

I have worked and seen many special needs units and schools. This was the best I have ever seen.

I have the email address of Robin's teacher, if any one of you needed to ask a question, she would be more than happy to help.

SEN in Yemen and Sweden!

Posted by Diena Murshed at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear all,

The event was discussed by me and an American business man I met at the conference on autism in March. He loves Yemen and has a down syndrome child, he wanted to do something for SEN in Yemen. He stated that he could bring some teachers with SEN background to Yemen as volunteers to teach teachers on different aspects of SEN (autism, dyslexia and dyscalculia). We both made arrangements from each of our sides. We kept in contact via email to bring a dream we had into reality.

Please could you pass on Robin's teacher's email address and I hope you wouldn't mind giving me your email address also.

Thank you Sima for you time and input it was fantastic to see different realities of other counties and Yemen is not the only country that has problems with IE and SEN. I benefited a lot from this discussion it is amazing how much we can learn from each other.

SEN in Yemen and Sweden!

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dea Diena,

Thank you so very much for your kind words. I have not only enjoyed our discussions, but also learnt a lot from it.
 
Thank you all very much for participating.

My private email address is|: simahhariri@yahoo.co.uk I would love to be in touch with all of you!

I sent a mail to Anne (Robin's teacher), to ask permission to forward her email address. As soon as she replies I shall forward it to you. Please may I have your email address, and indeed whoever else who would be interested in being in touch informally!

Hope one day our path will cross again!

Thank you all very much.

Kindest regards,

Sima

SEN in pakistan

Posted by Aliya Sibtain at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear all
thank u so much for this discussion it has been great knowing about other regions and how we are all working to help students with SEN in differnt parts of the world.
Sima i have taken down your email address and hope to stay in touch, i have learnt alot from your vast experience.
please pass on Robin's teachers address if she agress to it.
thanku everyone for sharing your experiences and letting me know more about SEN in differnt parts of the world.
hope we all can make a differnce in our regions one day
thank you
Aliya

We are all making a difference

Posted by Hyacinth Rose-Manners at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Hi All,
This is a great class, We are all making a difference in our small corners and we all see the need to do more and that is why we are all pursuing studies in this area.Diena congratulations as you have captured such a diverse audience. We pray that as we share we are encouraged to do more.

I think some one mentioned that a leading hospital in India or Pakistan 0% of Dr.knew about SpLd same in the Caribbean. In Antigua when the dyslexia association lobbied and gained policy for dyslexic pupils to be statementated for accommodation one person went to a general practitioner Dr and got a 2 line letter saying the student was dyslexic. I was called in from my school to the ministry of education to verify if this was acceptable. I then had to inform them of the scientific evidence needed through standardised testing in order to conclude that the person is dyslexic or have the tendencies.

Sima you not only appreciate each comment but you also repeat for further clarification and unravel acronyms as they are used. You are a good teacher. God bless you as a teacher and your spiritual walk with God.

We are all making a difference

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear all,

Thank you so much for all your kind words. Diena, Hya and Aliya especially. I have been so honored to be working with you all. Even if this is my first and the last time! I appreciate getting to know you all. It has hontestly been a great experience for me.

I agree with Hya that we are all making a difference and we will do so even more in the future. I am proud of all of you and pray for you all.

Today is my last day! Some of you have already kindly sent me emails to my private email address, which I have replied. I shall be in touch with you.

Thank you all again, my prayers will be with you,
God Bless you all,

Sima

 

Anne Westring

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Dear all,

As I mentioned I had emailed Anne to ask permission to forward her email address as required. She kindly replied today, as of course she went to work today. She is quite happy for you all to have her email address. Here is her addrss: anwe84@utb.lund.se

Best of Luck to you all,

Sima

hello from pakistan

Posted by Aliya Sibtain at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
hello, it was really nice to read about yur teaching experience, Pkaistan is some wht similar to Iran and does not have any inclusive schools, the schools run by the government are usually in very bad conditions and the education provided is jsut the basics. inclusion is a very new concept and its been introduced in a few private schools ( at present i know only 5 schools with inclusive practice) usually children with learning difficulties are in normal schools but they have to struggle alot as the teachers are not well aware about learning difficulties and can make a students life very miserable. students with other disabilities are in seperate special schools and there is no interaction between these students. unfortunatly the government has also not taken any measures to form inclusive schools and whtever has been done is on a private basis.
hope to learn a lot from your vast experience

Greetings Aliya,

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Thank you very much for sharing your experiences with us and helping us to learn more about the education system in Pakistan. You are absolutely right Aliya, 'Inclusion' is a new concept for many countries in the world at the moment, but I hope this is changing, as you are taking this course, and we are exchanging all these ideas.

You mentioned that in Pakistan, there is no integration between special schools for children with severe special needs or disabilities. It is similar to Iran. They do not have integration either. It would be interesting to know whether the integration is recognised in other countries or not.
In London I used to work in a mainstream primary school, where inclusion was their policy. However they had a unit within the school, where they would accept children with severe disabilities and special needs.

This was quite convenient for parents as at least the family sent all their children to the same school. From time to time, depending on their needs, children with SEN (Special Educational Needs), integrate with mainstream children. I believe this had many advantages. All physical needs such as speech therapy, physiotherapy or occupational therapy was provided within the unit, but children with SEN could still have a good role model by mixing with their peers in the mainstream school. It was also useful for the children in the mainstream school as they gradually were learning how to care for the children from the unit. Some people believe this kind of integration is a very good step towards inclusion. I think integration in that school meant that both children with and without special needs had the best of both world!

What do you think?

Thanks again for sharing.

Greetings ,

Posted by Aliya Sibtain at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
the school u have discussed seems to be jsut the type of thing which is needed to helps children with SEN to be able to mix with children in the mainstream schools. i am doing this course and hoping by the end i will be able to form some poicly which can be applied to schools... i know it wont be possible for every school to apply it but i am hoping to start by a few schools and maybe in the next 20-25 yrs we culd see the policy being implemented on a more larger scale. i hope i succeed

Hi Every one

Posted by Hyacinth Rose-Manners at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
I taught that the Caribbean was the only place not practicing inclusion and this is one of the main reasons I am doing this course of study. Please excuse my spelling I am Dyslexic with a big "D"

First let me share what I know about the USVI (United States Virgin Islands) beautiful hilly 36sqmiles islands, 20 minutes to the furthest point if no traffis 2 hours hush hours. Thses islands are American so they say Ammerican Caribbean. The policy from the USA comes down but is interperated differently and acted upon slowly and in stages for the main reason that of lack of trained personel. So they have one school that is pilot scheme for inclusion at the moment. I am still not in the system (awaiting a work permit) but I have been allowed to participate in workshops and they have what they call inclusive teachers in all schools and I understand that to mean that a SEN or SpLD student who is included has the support of this teacher as directed by the IEP. In those schools they have what is called Modified instructions 1&2 according to severity of needs. The ethos of the school (as one hearing from the outside) seem to be that inclusion is still aplace not a practice. My feelings are that general education teachers many do not know about SEN and do not want to know. I can't teach that child you can have hin/her.
The neighbouring (45minutes boat ride) British Virgin Islands (BVI) seem not to have inclusion in place either because I have been approached to work with children there I see them on Saturdays they take the boat to me (very costly).

In Dale( Spelt wrong I think) County in Miami I visited one day 3 years ago and was taken around to observe with the county superintendent of schools. There they had some pilot schemes which operated with units within the general schools. So they shared only meals and recreation together. Then there was A Dr. Rosa at another school in that county that was the SEN specialist there they had the SpLD students as regular classroom students, she worked closely with the teachers, as a co-teacher practice A method of inclusion perfered in the USA, this was great. She worked with individuals by taking them out from the classroom for specific instructions peroidically but she would be in the class room during the teaching of a lesson and would observe her students and be there for them to have her assistance. She was introduced as to assist any one who requested it. but she would unobtrusively give her attention to the SEN & SpLD students. She said she would also sometimes teach a class the topic differently and so many of the students who are not under her care would tell her how they benefit from the method she used. To me that was a beautiful example of inclusion.
I will speak about the Caribbean islands next. I am learning so much from reading what you all write thanks let us continue

Greetings Hyacinth,

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Thank you for your informative comments. You mentioned that some teachers in America Caribbean do not know anything about SEN and do not want to know.
This is so very true about many teachers even in England. I believe a part of the teaching course should be about learning difficulties, physical disabilities and emotional problems. I think all the teachers should learn how to cope with children with SEN. This is because in a real world, not everyone is the same. Not everyone is as they would say, 'Normal?!'.
It is great to know that in Dale, one school has a pilot scheme of inclusion, but you mentioned that the children only get integrated at meals and recreation. They have taken the first huge step, by having a unit for children with SEN within the mainstream school, and hopefully soon they will start integrating pupils more often. Perhaps after obtaining your working visa, you could get involved in that!

You also mentioned about Dr. Rosa who supports children with SEN, within the mainstream school. In England we often have teacher assistants, who are not as highly paid as a teacher, they help the children with SEN, but they are managed by the SENCo (Special Educational Nees Coordinator). Although we do appreciate having them in schools, they are not supposed to teach the whole class.

I was working in a college in London, as a special educational needs teacher, about nine years a go. I too helped the students with their subjects, and sometimes I took the whole lesson and taught instead of the teacher. I remember once I taught a mathematical subject, and had a great feed back, this was mainly because I was so poor at Maths myself, and since I knew what was going to be taught in that lesson I had gone out of my way to learn that specific subject so well in order to help the others, that is why I taught in a very basic way and everyone learnt it and enjoyed the lesson!

We are looking forward to reading your comments about Caribbean Islands.

Thanks again.
  

Welcome Sima

Posted by Hyacinth Rose-Manners at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Your seem to have lots to share with us. Very interesting experiences. I live in an American territory but in the Caribbean. US Virgin Islands. My husband job has alowed me to live in many Caribbean islands and( England as RN). But I have had some experiences in a few islands as a teacher. looking forward to sharing.
One objective of this sharing is that when we hear af what is happening across the globe we are encouraged.

Greetings Hycinth-Rose

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Thank you very much for your comment. A part from having a great holiday in Jamaica, I have no idea how is their educational system work. I would be very interested in reading your experiences.

I would also very much like to know how inclusive is their mainstream schools? Do they allow children with special needs to go to a normal mainsteam school or do they have to go to special schools.

I have so many questions to ask you, as I don't know anyone who has taught there.

Many thanks,
Sima

views from abroad

Posted by Jessica Jacob at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
It been a pleasure getting to know you from your introduction. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
I have taught in schools where the special education was none existent. That was the international school experience in Kaoushiung, Taiwan and In S. Korea. Just the multicultural exposure was a learning experience enough let alone having to work with special situations. I find working in smaller classrooms with assistants to help was very beneficial for numerous lessons, one-to-ones, centers, and, other activities. In S. Korea, I had the intense challenge to find placement for my daughter who has down-syndrome. Most international schools did not want her to attend while other had not facility or resources to provide services for her. Korean schools couldn't help because of the language barriers. We were almost going to give up after our last hope with the military school denied us the opportunity to have Haley attend their school. They had all the right programmes for her, but they wanted to leave space open for the military members instead. They did offer to provide inservices and resources if I did find a school for Haley. I finally did find a small international christian school that had no facility but were willing to give it a try. They allowed me to set up a full progamme for Haley. They agreed to hire a special needs teacher for her, and we willing to learn about inclusion and implement the processes. The military came in for training sessions and gave the school resources. Four years later Haley graduated with a modified high school diploma. She knows how to read and work simple math problems. The inclusive work we did paid off.
There still is such a great need to SEN internationally. There are foriegn families (working abroad) who have had to lose jobs, because of the lack SEN programmes for their special needs child.
Do you believe there is a great need for SEN awareness and programmes in the international sector? at least in some places?

Greetings Jessica,

Posted by Sima Rutherford at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
How refreshing to hear from a teacher and at the same time a mother of a child with SEN. Many thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

It is disappointing to hear that even International Schools would not accept Haley. Was there a British School Foundation in Taiwain or S. Korea? Did you try them as well?
However it is great to learn that Haley can now read and do some basic Maths. I taught a child in London four years a go in a primary school, and she is now a very good reader, she was the most caring and kind hearted child ever. I miss her! Am I right to think that being kind and caring is a description for most children with Down Syndrom.

I absolutely agree with you that there is agreat need for SEN awareness in the international sector. I would even go further and say in most countries. As far as I know European countries (Not Eastern Europe), are more aware of SEN than the rest of the world.

Good Luck to Haley and all the other children in the world with SEN.


Greetings Jessica,

Posted by Jessica Jacob at Sep 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Thank you Sima,
Yes, I had gone to every avenue for Haley in S. Korea. That was about five-six years ago. I hope that things may have changed since then.
Haley is truly caring and kind hearted, a lovely and creative individual. She is a great dancer.

all the best to you.
 Jessi

Eastern Europe

Posted by Marzena at Feb 27, 2010 07:29 PM
Very sadly there is still lack of understanding of SEN in Eastern Europe. In Poland, the country I come from, pupils with learning difficulties don't get any support in the classroom. What is more, children suffering from for instance cerebral palsy who live in small towns are not able to attend mainstream schools. Most of these children finishes their education on a primary level.